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Intoxicating Liquor Breweries And Distilleries Bill 2016

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Postby andrew » Wed Nov 30, 2016 2:18 pm

Bill was proposed by Alan Kelly today and has been passed with no opposition, so now goes onto the next stage.

The ICBI have also been in contact, they say:
Cheers for the support - what we need now is people to get in touch with their local TD to tell them how important this Bill is for both their local brewery and their local area - I've attached a list of all TDs, if you could maybe circulate to your members and ask them to get in touch it would be super. I believe they should all have clinic hours on Fridays and Saturdays if anyone wants to go for maximum impact!


I've posted the list on Google Sheet here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing
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Postby irish_goat » Wed Nov 30, 2016 2:31 pm

Excuse my ignorance of Dail proceedings but do bills normally pass the first stage without much hassle?
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Postby brendy_éire » Wed Nov 30, 2016 5:18 pm

irish_goat wrote:Excuse my ignorance of Dail proceedings but do bills normally pass the first stage without much hassle?


They don't 'pass', as such, and it's not a stage for discussion, but yes.
In saying that, if a proposal isn't to the Government's liking, they'll usually say so at this point.
Silence is a good sign, but still a long way to go.
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Postby TheBeerNut » Wed Nov 30, 2016 7:10 pm

irish_goat wrote:Excuse my ignorance of Dail proceedings but do bills normally pass the first stage without much hassle?
Pretty much always. It's more hassle to stop one here. The wee first stage introductory speech is new. It seems to have started creeping in around 2013.
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Postby TheBeerNut » Thu Dec 01, 2016 7:41 pm

TheBeerNut wrote:The wee first stage introductory speech
Now on the YouTube.
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Postby brendy_éire » Wed Dec 07, 2016 6:42 pm

They'll be chatting about this bill on the Last Word on Today FM this afternoon.
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Postby andrew » Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:13 am

Yes, there was a big get together of brewers, cider makers and distillers last night as they met with TD's to launch the campaign.
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Postby TheBeerNut » Thu Dec 08, 2016 7:42 pm

From what I heard last night the support of Fianna Fáil is crucial for this. Today I can see why.
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Postby TheBeerNut » Mon Mar 13, 2017 11:40 pm

I've done up a short piece for the front page. Second stage is 23rd March. Contact your TDs!
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Postby brendy_éire » Thu Mar 23, 2017 5:32 pm

Second stage being debated at present. All positive so far.

http://www.oireachtas.ie/parliament/wat ... eachtastv/
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Postby TheBeerNut » Fri Mar 24, 2017 9:27 am

Second stage passed, which is great to see. Support was unanimous.

The Government sounded a couple of warning notes to be dealt with in committee. One is the common sense assumption that every production brewery will be a visitor attraction and therefore must be compliant on health and safety etc. So getting a manufacturer's licence will require sign-off by a local court. The court can also revoke the licence if it's being abused, which would shut down the brewery completely, not simply ban visitors, which makes sense.

The more awkward bit is that the Government wants every visitor to do a tour before they can buy anything. It looks like they don't want people popping to the local brewery for a growler fill. The brewers and bill sponsors will need to have their arguments ready on that one.

Anyway: congrats to everyone who got things this far.
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Postby TheBeerNut » Fri Feb 16, 2018 3:33 pm

Dáil Committee stage was completed yesterday. The government has effectively re-written the Bill to include the issues mentioned above. The amendments list is here and amendment 1 is pretty much the entire Bill as it currently stands.

Rather than allowing a manufacturer to sell their products, it now creates two new kinds of licence: a producer's retail on or off licence, and a producer's retail off licence only. The former requires a certificate from the Circuit Court, the latter from the District. With the court certificate obtained, the brewery can apply to Revenue for the licence which costs €500 a year, with presumably legal and court fees on top of that.

The big thing here as I see it is the opportunity for locals *cough*pubs*cough* to object to proposed taprooms, and even to proposed breweries in the first place. Anyone setting up a new brewery will really need to have the local drinks trade on side, and do a better job of it than Diageo and Heineken do.

The government is also reserving the right to hold off putting the Act into force after it's passed to allow Revenue to update their systems for dealing with the new licences.

The provision for the tour remains, and it's claimed that this is what the brewers want. All the government seems to know is that buying beer at the brewery has to be part of an overall touristic experience. Charlie Flanagan has admitted that a definition of what this will actually mean in practice will have to be hammered out before the Bill is enacted, and preferably at Report stage which is next.

After that it's over to the Seanad, at some date as yet unspecified.
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Postby TheBeerNut » Thu Jul 05, 2018 4:17 pm

The Bill just completed Report stage and has therefore been passed by the Dáil. The government had argued that buying drinks to take away should still require a tour but was defeated on this. There was also an amendment passed to extend opening hours from 6pm to 7pm.

The Bill now moves to the Seanad where it could be passed in one session, hopefully next week.
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Postby andrew » Mon Jul 09, 2018 1:29 pm

Looks like it will be debated in the Seanad on Wednesday.
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Postby TheBeerNut » Mon Jul 09, 2018 1:41 pm

Briefly, hopefully. They've set aside 90 minutes to complete all stages.

Much was said in the Dáil about the importance of having this in place so taprooms can open this summer. But with the requirement for certification and licensing, there's basically zero chance of that happening, right?
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